I’m also curious if others have successful strategies for incorporating fasting with primal and Bikram Yoga. I was so motivated to work up a sweat and felt so energized that I hadn’t even considered eating something before. This involved a picnic by a river. Cannabidiol (CBD) is now becoming a great help for them, as this compound can facilitate fast muscle recovery. Among other things, I am benching around 170 (Not sure how much the bar weighs.) Did a 12 mile ride, had a great experience and felt no loss of energy or Bonk. Thanks for the great post, and the link to the PDF, Mark. But don’t think it’s a requisite of Primal living. Stick with healthy foods like lean meats, eggs, yogurt, and oatmeal. Martin, over at leangains is a bit obsessed with preventing protein catabolism, but the protein catabolism that occurs during fasted training is catabolism of damaged proteins by autophagy to be recycled, and this is actually beneficial to health. 2011;29 Suppl 1:S17-27. The IF fasting method is pretty much straightforward, however, you will still have to learn alot about the fine tuning details in order to make it work optimally for use 7 days per week for the rest of your life. Part Seven – Q&A: https://www.marksdailyapple.com../../fasting-questions-answers/, [38] Dear Mark: Women and Intermittent Fasting: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/women-and-intermittent-fasting/, [39] Primal Blueprint Fitness eBook, Free Health Tips and Primal Recipes: https://www.marksdailyapple.com../../feeds/, do you have any tips for ramadan fasters then? I stopped stretching. However, this is not true. I always ate before I went climbing and I felt sluggish. Not only did I get leaner, I lost fat, built muscle, and because I was eating lots more fats, I did not need to eat so much, and found I could drink more water before sunrise. I found drinking one or two bottles before helped significantly and 2 after helped even more for me. Another benefit is that you start appreciating foods once more…it’s unbelievable how tasty food can be, coming out of a 24+ hours fast! Sorry to say, your modified method of the IF is not working for you. I have more clarity at work; have better workouts (I used to sometimes end up with an upset stomach during training if I ate too soon before); and it’s simply convenient. Levels of p70s6 kinase – a muscle protein synthesis signaling mechanism that acts like an “indicator” of muscle growth – one hour after a fasted workout doubled levels compared to one hour after a fed workout (in the same group). I usually train early in the morning, and its kind of difficult continue fasting until 3pm. I love the freedom that comes with being a fat burner! I agree with this. I recently (2 months) started following the Martin Berkham Leangains method to IF, and lift at the end of the fast and eat immediately afterwards. It makes more sense, too, from Grok’s standpoint. Does anyone have similar issues? You want to load up and get plenty of omega-3 fatty acids found in things like wild-caught salmon; you also want to get fish oil benefits from a supplement, plus consume chia seeds , flaxseeds, walnuts and grass-fed beef. One thing not mentioned which can account for most of these changes is the TRAINING RESPONSE TO ENDURANCE EXERCISE. Lack of appropriate nutritional support will reduce adaption to exercise and impair preparation for future bouts. First was a week or so ago, I was just curious how I would do cycling on hour 23. In my experience, the food usually involves some kind of hearty stew of some kind over a heap of rice, with something fried as an appetizer, often accompanied by a soup (barley or lentil based) and then some heavy dessert drenched in simple syrup. Also, loosing slowly some weight and feeling good. Today, I have optimized many practices from Bernstein, Atkins, Paleo, Primal, LeanGains, SouthBeach and many others. I read this article several days ago. WIP: before 88 mg/dl, 30 mins into FT workout 92 mg/dl. I’m actually reversing my aging process in only 1.5 months time! For the fat-adapted, fasting often just happens. I cut down to 170 and decided to switch focus to building muscle, so now I’m following Martin’s suggestions on spiking carb intake. Another valuable fasting resource, which I learned through MDA, is leangains. I have been on a good roll lately with weight training and walking. I can’t see that anyone talks about this. I do IF every day using the most OPTIMAL techniques, where as before it was just random and by convenience and by accident. As much as our ancestors were HUNTER-gatherers, they were also hunter-GATHERERS. https://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/08/11/western-states-100-low-carber-wins-ultramarathon-steve-phinney-and-jeff-volek-study/. Don’t let the results of a study (or my words) dissuade you from doing something that seems to help you. My body fat is now in the high 9% and I have gain almost 4 lbs. It’s made life so much easier. Felt very high energy sugar buzz almost immediately while increased reps and weight intensity. And there is evidence that the hormonal state that produces the benefits of fasting comes from abstaining from CARBS (and excess protein), not abstaining from food entirely. My suggestion is to try and use the sure fire, tried and true method that has already worked for hundreds if not thousand of people that hold personal testimony (including myself) to its effectiveness. would this work if you have a decent diet? Finally my glucose spike skyrocketed one week and then I finally paid some real attention to my health and tried to figure out what was going on. I made my serious below-10%-bodyfat improvements only once I started on the short term fasting. Intermittent fasting increases the human growth hormone which helps your muscles to grow. For some, the benefits outweigh the potential negatives – to others, it may be the other way around. USA.gov. I have been mostly primal for 2 years now. I still carry nuts with me, but now I just eat when I’m hungry and eat simple things like nuts, meat, occassionally some veggies and fruit, and cheese. i was wondering about thisstatement…10 grams of BCAA (branch chain amino acids) taken before the workout should boost the enhancement without taking you “out of the fast.” Both my squat and deadlifting PR’s have been on a fasted saturday session. Fasting is not equivalent to starving and fasting does not cause muscle loss. If so, I am experiencing the same. Remember, there is nothing natural but only damaging if one chooses to use “chemotherapy” as a cancer “therapy”- building of the immune system is number one priority- something chemotherapy does the exact opposite of. Please don’t use SPECIFICALLY CONTROLLED medical studies and then paste them up as a GENERALIZATION without delving into the OVERALL facts. Now I know we don’t have to battle for our lives on a daily basis, but I do find this a convenience. Yet my weight, lean body mass, body fat and measurements have not changed! This saved me a lot of time, trouble, and stress. I supplement my mornings with coffee and never really go hungry. Hence, CBD is now widely being used by athletes and sportspersons. Is waiting nearly 7hrs to eat post workout meal to long? c) tend towards a full week to rest your muscles. Thirsty? So much for the need to carbo load prior to working out. Then, after I am done I am completely full of energy, and this often lasts till lunch. . I’m curious. When I am on a good roll as I have been my performance often improves notably from one workout to the next and I am going to increase the weight next session. My fasts were every other day skipping dinner and breakfast. So you end up RUNNING to the nearest restroom or dark corner if you are nowhere near one. So, Sisson, what’s the deal? You should try to mix more fibrous veggies such as broccoli, cauliflower, cucumbers and carrots into the mix. 2012;30 Suppl 1:S21-31. Use a foam roller to reduce muscle tension. Keep exercise light, such as walking, on other days. I do have some coffee and maybe a smoothie an hour before going out to take the edge off and give me a little fuel, but much more than that and I feel sluggish and heavy. BMC Genomics. Another study suggested that fasted endurance training may quickly re-activate the muscle protein translation that was negated in athletes who had eaten carbohydrates before training. per wk). I’m relatively new to the primal life — went low carb about 2 months ago and finally primal about a month ago — and recently discovered intermittent fasting too. After about mile 5 my energy is so high that I am peddling like a maniac. I offer all my online clients a fasted workout protocol and meal guidelines. The way I would suggest is doing a ‘normal’ day of eating for your training days to help you get the carbs, calories, and overall recovery in. 50g +/- 100g if you do work out. With a morning fasting glucose ave. of 85 mg/dl, a recent hba1c test of 4.8% or 93 mg/dl. Where I’ve experimented only a couple times with more mixed results is with longer fasts (2-5 days). I still had three meals, I am just giving my body a break from digesting. You’ll burn probably twice as much fat that way. I often will skip breakfast and go for a quick 20 mile ride on the bike. Anyone have advice? Breakfasts are sleepy and rushed since they (we?) Amino acids, especially BCAAs are powerful enough to help relieve muscle soreness that sets in after exercise. All my health screen indicators are optimal (BP, Glucose, Lipids, Urinalysis, Blood work etc…), I’m the strongest I’ve ever been, and yes even stronger than I was when in my 20’s when I was very very athletic. I have been exercising since I was 18 in a fasted state (swimming, hiking, weight lifting, stadium climbing etc). By digestive trouble I’m guessing you’re referring to bowel movements… right? The avoidance of fluid and food intake from sunrise to sundown involves prolonged periods without intake of nutrients, inflexibility with the timing of eating and drinking over the day and around an exercise session, and changes to usual dietary choices due to the special foods involved with various rituals. And I wasn’t really trying for a PR. He obviously has a very good understanding of the subject and is nice enough to share it with the rest of us. Yes, you can actually lose muscle while intermittent fasting. I exercise first thing in the morning before I go to work, so I don’t really have time to eat something, let it digest some, and then exercise. Since I eat all my calories PWO, I load extra on workout days before rest days. He however did not do any type of IF by intention or by accident. I believe that my dad and I would be a perfect real life scientific case study that would possibly show significant indicating factors in IF under similar controlled conditions. Ramadan represents a special case of intermittent fasting undertaken by many athletes during periods of training as well as … I like to have a big workout right before my long awaited meal. Wow, thanks for the great post. The body already has mechanisms in place during fasting to preserve lean mass and to burn fat for fuel instead of protein. They seem to think they won’t last the day without loading up on carbs! The Hulk or the shredded look . What do you notice? My diet was even more terrible with carb/protein/fat at 80/15/5 because it was cheaper. Although the researchers of this study repeatedly describe and attribute the beneficial effects to “nutrient” restriction, it’s interesting to note that the nutrient they restricted was a “blood-serum medium containing glucose” but NOT proteins or fats. I also fast on an intermittent basis and eat 2 – 5 times a day depending on how I feel. In other words, fasting boosted (physiological indicators of) post-workout muscle growth. I might try this again in the future, but I think I might just stick with plain black coffee on my fast days. Often I will supplement with some overhead weights in the gym. Started at 213lbs. I’ve been doing the frequent small meals high in lean protein and veggies. Paleo-fasting meant that I was able to get more sleep, drink more water, and had more energy than when I have fasted incorporating refined carbohydrates. Prior to going on the Paleo Diet + IF in January 2012 I weighed 340 pounds and I was climbing at a 5.10 level (not 5.10+). For folks with easy access to the fat-burning switch, skipping a meal (or three) doesn’t ruin the day and preclude exercise. I didn’t eat until around noon the next day when my hunger mechanism said, “ok, time to eat”. Repeat step one. The amount of glycogen in your muscles and liver, the mobility of your tissues, the structural size of your muscle cells, the distribution of the fiber types within those muscle cells, the V02 max – these all matter and help decide the amount of weight you’re going to put up, the time you’re going to hit, the miles you’ll be able to check off, and the number of pullups you’ll complete, and fasting will obviously have an effect on these and other markers. Your email address will not be published. And I used to stretch beforehand every time. Thanks everyone! Now it’s no problem at all. You can excercise on that day to gain some of the benefits outlined in this article without compromising your work. Because thats when I get hungry. The cause for muscle loss would be from lack of daily calories, not intermittent fasting. So you jack insulin up with BCAA, you activate the mTOR pathway and you lose part of the benefits of autophagy. Makes sense, right? I recently went from a 12 rep max to 15 reps and the way that is stated, “only fasted training significantly improved muscular adaptations to training.” this would only have been possible if I was fasting which I certainly was not. Thanks for the article! I feel light and focused. I never would have consider exercising while fasting before going primal. But just as important is your mindset, your personal approach to fasted training. Heck, they’re probably not on a conventionally healthy whole foods diet. This includes a 20 miler. Start off with one day a week, chose one that dosent clash with your work, eat in the evening and then fast till the next evening and eat then, thats 24 hours, once you can handle that OK , do 36h or so , just by going to bed and thereby extending the fast till next morning. I just cannot figure out which piece of the puzzle I am missing. Hi Mark, Thanks for this post. When you workout with BCAA you are giving your body much of the protein it needs for protein synthesis while you are working out, so why would your body adapt to synthesize more if you didn’t create the demand for it? There was unfortunately no control group, but this study does show that fasting doesn’t hurt (and it may help). Also, I’ve found that when I do a 24 hour fast every now and then, that my energy levels are good and steady all day long, regardless of activity levels. Then here are 7 amazing tips for fast muscle recovery after a workout. I took a leap of faith after reading leangains.com and did just that. And it wasn’t a physical inability; it was a mental hang up. I don’t mean this to be snarky or mean. This allows 4 hours to complete digestion and 8 hours for the liver to complete its detoxification cycle. Thanks. Note: A moderate glucose change just bordering the high glucose levels. I am a Muslim who went Paleo in July last year, 2 weeks before the start of Ramadan. J Sports Sci. Those kind of training sessions deplete a severe amount of glycogen. Regards and good luck! but are you sure you’re eating P:F:C of 70/20/10, or Helps to remember that not only were ancient humans resourceful, they were also social–or else they weren’t apt to be long-lived. I’m realizing now that I was eating way too much good food – more than I was really using. It doesn’t work for everyone, though. You will have to find your perfect balance over time and just listen to your body. You’re fasting 3x per week is ok if its all you can do. Now that I understand why fasting works, I don’t have the same problem–they’re actually more productive than before. Part Three – Longevity: https://www.marksdailyapple.com../../fasting-longevity-lifespan/, [34] Why Fast? I would imagine most fats except coconut oil would be similar. I find that I work harder when I have a hot dish waiting for me, and it feels super rewarding to finally eat. If so how long should I wait to eat post workout meal. Who won? Now suffice to say i the last 24 hours I had water and a slice of turkey but I had so much energy and was alert even though I was also really stressed out and sleep deprived. After a glutenous honeymoon in September, I decided to give fasted training a try. I need to fit back in my size 0 clothes again;-(. I seriously doubt he ate a square meal before he went hunting. I talk about this extensively on my website, The Fountain of Youth and Strength. Another thing that could happen is you learn to make do with less glycogen by, well, making do with less glycogen. Still had the tingle of hunger, but nothing that wasn’t easily manageable. Ocasionaly missing a meal and I dont eat past 6pm, but thats just me. YOUR GLYCOGEN-DEPLETED MUSCLES WILL SURELY DISSOLVE INTO THE ETHER.” If fasted resistance training has you lagging, eat something the next time and disregard studies that suggest “YOUR POST-WORKOUT MUSCLE PROTEIN SYNTHESIS AND INSULIN SENSITIVITY WILL SKYROCKET TO THE HEAVENS ABOVE.” In the long run, it may not matter. There are numerous links in the post, many of which point to research articles: [1] fasting on weight loss: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-weight-loss/#axzz1rmYIj72B, [2] adipose tissue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue, [3] increase cancer survival and resistance: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-cancer/#axzz1rnxULZRG, [4] life extending benefits of caloric restriction: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-longevity-lifespan/, [5] fasting may have protective and therapeutic benefits to the brain: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-brain-function/, [6] sometimes negative results: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375237, [7] lifting, some walking, and maybe a few sprints: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/, [8] sleep: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sleep/, [9] PDF: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ramadan%20sleep%20deprivation&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CGEQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phitools.com%2Fpdf%2Froky_jsr_2001.pdf&ei=f3GGT8mSF5HJiQLck9XNDw&usg=AFQjCNEHgj5zV–yWDbzvsQDYNTgI1Xitg&sig2=D6lP6yEBza1Rco11Hx7ajg, [10] performance of daytime tasks decreases: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1742-1241.2005.00811.x/abstract, [11] sleep for general health: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/poor-sleep-may-make-you-and-your-liver-fat/, [12] inadequate sleep can also translate to poor athletic performance: https://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/conditioning/a/aa062800a.htm, [13] extra virgin olive oil: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-all-olive-oil-created-equal/#axzz1roPUzEX9, [14] shawarma: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/shawarma-salad/, [15] shift smoothly and easily to the fat based metabolism: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/, [16] fasting: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/, [17] study: https://jp.physoc.org/content/588/21/4289.abstract, [18] improved post-workout recovery: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19197210?dopt=Abstract, [19] study: https://www.springerlink.com/content/p0n17115736tt254/, [20] study: https://www.springerlink.com/content/w8712615714k8150/, [21] take on the study: https://www.leangains.com/2009/12/fasted-training-boosts-muscle-growth.html, [22] glycogen: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/glycogen/, [23] I’ve discussed before: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-fuel-a-marathon/#axzz1rmYIj72B, [24] study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20452283, [25] pullups: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-proper-pullup-chinup-technique/, [26] milk the post-workout growth hormone surge: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/post-workout-fasting/#axzz1roPUzEX9, [27] we’re not: https://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/296/1/R29.full, [28] sprinting: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/sprint-routine/, [29] self experiments: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-self-experimentation-matters/, [30] sprinting: https://www.marksdailyapple.com/marks-beach-sprints/, [31] Why Fast? Leangains is a great resource of information and ideas on the topic. The more I adhere to the primal principles the easier it is. I said “HOG WASH!! Your energy and appetite would have been even keel and you can then go on fasting for another 3 or 4 days. I felt really great. If you’d like to bulk up your muscles, you might think it’s counterintuitive to eat less instead of more. What am I missing?? I actually feel like I have more energy. 1 thing you want to do is consume anti-inflammatory foods.You want to load up and get plenty of omega-3 fatty acids found in things like wild-caught salmon; you also want to get fish oil benefits from a supplement, plus consume chia seeds, flaxseeds, walnuts and grass-fed beef. I explain how growth hormone, autophagy, and telomerase all benefit from fasted training and how these things can actually reverse aging. I agree with you on this. You can’t go half ass into it and expected it to have the same results. My BF is now 10%. 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